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This entry was posted on 11/30/2006 8:39 AM and is filed under Sermons.

The previous message, in the entry below, was a great challenge!  This message is also great.  Hope you will check it out.  Read the summary below and then click on the link.  Then click on Week Two.

"So many people wonder about the point of life. The philosophical question, “Why am I here?” is something that millions of people—Christ-followers and otherwise—long to answer. And we look everywhere for an answer. But in our search, we often miss what truly matters. Through Christ’s encounter with Zacchaeus, Ed Young shows us how to discover real meaning. And we see that the only way to really understand why we’re here is to get uncomfortable enough to say something, do something, and be something for those people far away from God. We are all going to spend forever somewhere—we’re tagged for eternity. And Christians must begin to see other people through that eternal perspective."

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    • 12/4/2006 4:35 PM Nelson wrote:
      As the Westminster catechism goes, I am here to "serve God and enjoy Him forever." This entails an earthly aspect, to serve God, and an eternal, heavenly aspect, to enjoy Him in Heaven forever.
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    • 12/6/2006 12:58 PM KK wrote:
      The Westminster Catechism actually states: "Man's chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him for ever."

      Nelson I don't believe "serve" is involved. Yes, everthing we do must be done according to God's Word and must in every repect bring Glory to his name but it is always for the purpose of being an act of worship. We do not serve God for God has no need of our service. Acts 17:25 states, "nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything." Our service is based on devotion and worship and not compulsion.

      So the statement from the Confession/Catechism has an eternal perspective for the here and now and the everlasting one to come.

      KK
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      1. 12/6/2006 8:20 PM Nelson wrote:
        I never said the service was anything but devotion and worship and in doing His will. In reading your answer, you tell me you dont believe "serve is involved", yet your last sentence in the first paragraph says "our service is based on..." Okay, are we serving or not? In studying the Westminster catechism, it is broken down into service, in glorifying God by what we do in His Will, not in the sense of giving him aid, or a necessity. I truly serve the only One and Living God by my life, my actions, my attitude, my devotion to Him and His Word...etc. "Choose this day whom you will SERVE. As for me and my house, we will SERVE the Lord." Joshua, right?
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        1. 12/7/2006 10:02 AM KK wrote:
          First Nelson, I was correcting your miss quotation of the first question in the Westminster Catechism the word "serve isn't there, right? I don't recall you using the words devotion and worship but I do not have your statement as I write this before me. Services or better yet Good Works through obedience is involved most definitely but not in a legelist fashion. It isn't about duty but desire. I obey and follow and in that form I do good works -- I hope your not questioning me personally on my service to God - are you? But, again, if you are going to quote the confession you should use its on words and not yours because it does place the word "serve" in a context that is not intended if you put it in the place of glorify. I am not sure where your break down comes from relating to the confession?

          John, I notice you have not answered my personal question to you. You are more than welcome to email me personally!
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          1. 12/7/2006 6:36 PM Nelson wrote:
            Nope, not questioning you personally at all. I was just taken aback at the perceived attack on my comment. It was puzzling why you automatically assumed the worst about service in my comments, when I never said anything one way or the other, and then why, after knocking "service", you said "our service is based on devotion..." Either there is or isnt service. I too can quote Scripture, that mentions service where you can quote Scripture that is against "service." If you had simply asked, what I meant by service, instead of assuming I meant something I did not, a lot of headache could have been avoided, true?
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    • 12/7/2006 6:40 PM Nelson wrote:
      BPC.ORG | Home | Westminster Shorter Catechism Project | Question 1 | Flavel
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      Westminster Shorter Catechism Project

      An Exposition of the Assembly's
      Shorter Catechism
      by John Flavel


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      1. What is the chief end of man?
      A. Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.



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      Q. 1. Seeing a chief supposeth an inferior end; what is that inferior end for which man was made?
      A. It was prudently, soberly, and mercifully, to govern, use, and dispose of other Creatures in the Earth, Sea, and Air, over which God gave Man the Dominion; Genesis 1:26. And God said, Let us make man in our Image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the Fish of the Sea, and over the Fowl of the Air, and over the Cattle, and over all the Earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the Earth. So Psalm 8:6. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands, thou hast put all things under his feet.
      Q. 2. What then is to be thought of these men, who being wholly intent upon inferior things, forget and neglect their principal end?
      A. They are dead whilst they live, 2 Timothy 5:1. But she that liveth in pleasure, is dead whilst she liveth. They have their Portion in this Life, Psalm 17:14. From men of the World which have their Portion in this Life, and their end is destruction; Philippians 3:19. Whose end is destruction.

      Q. 3. How can Man glorify God, seeing he is perfectly glorious in himself?
      A. Man cannot glorify God by adding any new degree of glory to him. Job 36:7. If thou be righteous, what givest thou him? but by manifesting his glory with the Lips; Psalm 50:23. Whoso offereth praise, glorifieth me; or with the life, Matthew 5:16. Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in Heaven.

      Q. 4. Wherein consists the enjoyment of God?
      A. It consists, first, in the facial vision of him in Heaven. Secondly, In full conformity to him, 1 John. 3:2. But we know, that when he shall appear, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. Thirdly, In that full satisfaction which results from both the former, Psalm 27:15. I shall be satisfied when I awake with thy likeness.

      Q. 5. Can none enjoy him in Heaven, who do not glorify him on Earth?
      A. No adult person can scripturally expect happiness in Heaven, without holiness on Earth. Hebrews 12:14. And holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord. Romans 8:30. Whom he justified them he also glorified.

      Q. 6. How comes the glory and enjoyment of God our chief end?
      A. He is our Master, and rightful owner, and Benefactor; we receive our Being and Preservation from him; Of him,
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    • 12/8/2006 7:32 AM KK wrote:
      Nelson I am sorry that you took my comments personally I just was wanting to correct the catechism question and then get to the point of why you exchanged glorfy with service. Not trying be cause a problem nor was I attacking you though I can see how that can be precieved. Again sorry, I was just trying to correct the misquotation of the Catechism. We are in agreement for the point and reason of your bringing this up!!!!! By the way my reference is the Westminster Confession of Faith Free Presbyterian Press 133 Woodlands Road Glasgow G3 6LE first published 1646.
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